2025年武汉产业经济城建新闻综合贴

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xtcr027 发表于 2025-11-8 12:51
那会武汉是有湖广总督管理的一级行政大区，zz地位仅次于直隶总督和两江总督，跟广东的两广总督地位不相上 ...

直隶总督确实厉害，和现在北京**差不多。
两江总督当时和湖广总督平级的，而且朝廷也不认为有差别。张之洞就做过两江总督，还有两广总督，后来才来湖广总督位子干了20年。

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Room209 发表于 2025-11-8 12:50
湖北土著顶你，武汉好了，家乡的父老乡亲就不用背井离乡了，想吃热干面就吃，想吃菜苔就吃菜苔，想吃藕汤 ...

“泥嚎”是什么？茼蒿吗？

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chenyunh 发表于 2025-11-8 13:05
从何说起。。。

从“1850年世界第一大城市”说起

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dycps 发表于 2025-11-8 13:50
从“1850年世界第一大城市”说起

你很好笑，我只不过从原版英文原始历史书中找到了相关资料。1850年武汉三镇是世界第一大城市，这是当时你们眼里最先进最工业化的英国人和法国人的观察和总结。你认为这些英国人法国人是走火入魔？

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dycps 发表于 2025-11-8 13:50
从“1850年世界第一大城市”说起

New York City的人口从来没有超过1000万人，除非是New York Metropolitan Area。

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dycps 发表于 2025-11-8 13:50
从“1850年世界第一大城市”说起

内容带出处说服力会更强，最好不要莫名自媒体发出来的。

dycps

chenyunh 发表于 2025-11-8 15:00
内容带出处说服力会更强，最好不要莫名自媒体发出来的。

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dycps 发表于 2025-11-8 13:50
从“1850年世界第一大城市”说起

你这是在比较数据来源的可靠度了。

我引用的都是大英百科全书，美国百科全书。

法国胡克神父的中国游记在当时的欧洲是极具权威性的。胡克神父舍身为他的神传教，这些世间的见闻对他来说是附属品，因为他不在乎世间的事，所以他相对来说很公正了。他的写作中提到过伦敦，但他还是看中武汉。

如果你愿意钻故纸堆，这是好事，有很多原始文献，英文原版的。

dycps

目前有很多资料显示1850年世界第一大城市是伦敦

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dycps 发表于 2025-11-8 15:37
目前有很多资料显示1850年世界第一大城市是伦敦

这个就比较好笑了。你要研究历史的原始资料。
你查这种考题，能查出武汉在1910年是中国最牛逼的城市吗？
呵呵，民国以后的历史专著都被系统改写了。

chenyunh

这些材料确实说明了第一大不是武汉，但是大跟人口是两个定义。
我国最大城市是那曲，然后呼伦贝尔。

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By Encyclopedia Britannica Volume XI 1905 and American Encyclopedia 1885.

Description

This section is from "The American Cyclopaedia", by George Ripley And
Charles A. Dana. Also available from Amazon: The New American Cyclopæ
dia. 16 volumes complete..

Hankow

Hankow , a city of China, in the province of Hupeh, on the Yangtse-kiang,
470 m. W. of Shanghai; pop. estimated at 800,000. The river Han, which hero
falls into the Yangtse, separates Hankow from Hanyang, and opposite both, on
the other bank of the Yangtse, is Wo-chang, the capital of Hupeh. These
three towns are said to have had, before they were almost wholly destroyed
by the Taepings, an aggregate population of 5,000,000. In consequence of its
flourishing trade, Hankow is now again one of the first commercial cities
of the Chinese empire, and in particular the centre of the commerce of the
provinces of Hupeh, Ho-nan, Sechuen, and Kweichow. It is one of the treaty
ports opened to foreign commerce. Two regular lines of steamships connect it
with Shanghai. For the trade with Russia, Hankow is next to Tientsin the
most important place. The imports in 1871 were valued at $187,000, the
exports at $5,112,000. The most important articles of export are tea, China
grass, hemp, tobacco, and rhubarb; the most important articles of import are
Russian cloth and velvets.

The number of vessels entering the port in 1869 was 286, tonnage 185,226;
cleared, 350, tonnage 191,088.

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Abbe Huc The Chinese Empire Vol 1，2 1855

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The PRESIDENT desired to ask Captain Blakiston, as he had travelled over part of the route of the French missionary Huc, whether he found the particulars contained in his work correct.

CAPTAIN BLAKISTON replied it had always been supposed that the Abbe Huc’s descriptions were imaginary. He found them to be quite the reverse. In every point of which he had an opportunity of judging, he found Hue perfectly correct, except with respect to the amount of populations, and everybody knows how difficult it is to estimate that. If you ask a Chinaman how many people there are in a city he will say, “ some myriads.” With regard to the geography of the river, he (Captain Blakiston) mapped it for about 900 miles above where they left the Admiral; and the position of the river has come out pretty much as it is placed in the ordinary maps of China, which are based on those which were drawn up by the Jesuit missionaries. He found very slight errors, indeed. With reference to the naval survey between Hankow and Yo-chow, a distance of 140 miles, the survey had been carried on by “ dead reckoning.” Commander Ward went to Yo-chow without having been able to obtain any astronomical observation. He (Capt. Blakiston) found that in 140 miles of survey by dead reckoning there were only two miles of error, and was glad to record it in proof of the accuracy of which naval surveying is capable in skilful hands.

Proceedings of the Royal Geographical Society, Volumes 5-6.

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武汉港是世界上船只最繁忙的港口
武汉是世界上人口最密集的地区

China: The country and its people. page 262.
Middle Kingdom, Volume 1, By S. Wells Williams



When Hankow was opened to foreign trade in 1861, it presented a most
ruinous appearance, but the sense of security inspired by the presence
of the men and vessels from far lands rapidly drew the scattered
citizens and artisans to rebuild the ruins. The foreigners live near
the river side, east of Hankow and west of the River Han, where the
anchorage is very favorable, and out of the powerful current of the
Yangtsz’. The difference in level of the great stream is about forty
feet in the year. In the long years of its early and peaceful trade up
to 1850, this region had gathered probably more people on a given area
than could be found elsewhere in the world; and its repute for riches
led foreigners to base great hopes on their share, which have been
gradually dissipated. The appearance of the city as it was in 1845 is
given by Abbé Huc in a few sentences:

“The night had already closed in when we reached the place where
the river is entirely covered with vessels, of every size and form,
congregated here from all parts. I hardly think there is another port
in the world so frequented as this, which passes, too, as among the
most commercial in the empire. We entered one of the open ways, a sort
of a street having each side defined by floating shops, and after four
hours’ toilsome navigation through this difficult labyrinth, arrived at
the place of debarkation. For the space of five leagues, one can only
see houses along the shore, and an infinitude of beautiful and strange
looking vessels in the river, some at anchor and others passing up and
down at all hours.”[72]



Title: The Middle Kingdom, Volume 1 (of 2)

Author: S. Wells Williams