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发表于 2013-11-12 15:45:05 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
为湖南省所规划的美丽桥梁看起来像中国结,莫比乌斯带的结构
原文地址:http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/ ... ovince-evokes-knots



Having won an international designcompetition, Dutch firm NEXT Architects says that construction will begin nextyear for its novel take on a pedestrian bridge. The span will cross over ariver in Changsha in China's Hunan province, but it won't look anything likeyour typical bridge: three individual paths interleave, rise, and fall, givingit the appearance of an optical illusion. "The construction with theintersecting connections is based on the principal of the Möbius ring,"project architect Michel Schreinemachers says, adding that it also evokes aknot found in ancient Chinese folk art. It'll run 150 meters (492 feet) inlength, rising 24 meters (79 feet) high when it's completed.

在刚刚赢得一个国际设计竞赛后,荷兰的建筑设计公司NEXT说该梦幻般的人行天桥将在明年建设。位于湖南省长沙市的一条河流上,但是和以往一般的桥梁很不一样:三个独立的部分相互交错、升起和降落,这就产生了视幻觉的效果。“这种相互交叉的建筑形式是以莫比乌斯带(一种拓扑学结构)为基础的。”该项目建筑师Michel Schreinemachers如是说,还说这有点像古老的中国民间艺术中国结。建成后,长度将达150米,高度将达24米。



网友评论(翻译):

vinnythechef
I wish the United States built moreabstract buildings and structures like you see in other parts of the world

我希望美国能够像其他国家那样建设更多抽象的建筑和结构。

kristian.l
Same here! I live in Perth, Australia, andthe public architecture is so conservative. They’re just starting to build somereally cool things now, but for a long time it was held back by criticism fromthe older community that don’t like change.
Posted on Nov9, 2013 | 8:32 PMReply

澳洲珀斯的情况也一样,这儿的公共建筑真是太保守了。现在才打算建一些看不起来酷酷的建筑,但是长久以来由于受到不爱改变的老年团体的批评和阻碍,所以一直都搞不起来。

papsurdo
I work with bridges, and it is not justbecause there is a resistance to newer types of design. These bridges aresignificantly more expensive to engineer and construct. Since bridges are, 99%of the time, paid by the government, you can imagine that they will almostalways take the cheaper bridge over the more modern architectural bridgedesigns. Unless they are doing some type of landmark bridge, which is rare.
Whenever we do a tender project for a newfreeway bridge, there is this internal joke. That the architect on a bridgeprojects finest job, is to decide the color of the road crash barrier…..and thecolor should be gray.

我是搞桥梁建设的,不仅仅是因为人们阻碍建设新式桥梁。而且还因为这些桥梁在设计和建造上更加昂贵。几乎99%的情况下,桥梁的建设费用都是由政府出资的,所以你可以想象政府在选择桥梁设计时肯定是选择便宜的,而不会去选择更加现代的建筑设计。除非是搞非常罕见的地标性建筑。
当我们在做一个新的高速公路桥梁的投标项目时,总是存在着一个内部笑话。那些最擅长桥梁建设的建筑师总是要为一些小事情做决定,比如防撞护栏应该是什么颜色。。。。而防撞护栏应该是灰色的。

kristian.l
Haha that’s true, I guess with vehiclebridges they are usually built to fix a traffic issue rather than attractanyone.
I was talking more generally about urbanpublic spaces as a whole though. I should mention that it is only really theolder residents that are conservative. Our state government is actually quitekeen to build some jazzy new things.
Posted on Nov10, 2013 | 11:15 PMReply

哈哈,那倒是真的,我猜他们建造车桥的目的是为了解决交通问题而不是为了吸引游客。
我是从都市公共空间的整体来讨论问题的。我觉得真的只有老市民才会很保守。而我们州政府实际上是很愿意建设一些好看花哨的建筑的。

flapcacks
lbr perth is a shithole. people would livein melbourne if they could.
Posted on Nov10, 2013 | 7:16 AMReply

珀斯真是个鬼地方。如果可以,人们更加愿意住在墨尔本。

etacarinae
So move. Then you can pat each other on theback and congratulate one another in Melbourne for living in Melbourne.
Posted on Nov10, 2013 | 11:13 AMReply

那你就搬家啊。这样你们这些喜欢住在墨尔本的人就可以弹冠相庆了。

kristian.l
Nah, I still love Perth. It’s gradually onit’s way to bigger, better things and I’d like to be a part of it.
Posted on Nov10, 2013 | 11:00 PMReply

我还是比较喜欢珀斯的。这个城市的建筑会越来越大、越来越好的,我想成为这其中的一份子。

nos
We have a few here and there but Idefinitely agree it would be awesome to see people really push the boundaries.
Posted on Nov9, 2013 | 8:49 PMReply

我们这儿也有一些花哨好看的建筑,但是如果有人能够继续建造出一些大胆的建筑,我还是喜闻乐见的。

MikehMike01
If this bridge is any indication, you cankeep this sort of tacky thing.
Posted on Nov9, 2013 | 9:35 PMReply

如果这个建筑有任何象征意义的话,那只能是俗气。

snugglez
Agreed. Not only is weird for the sake ofweirdness (like almost all modern art/architecture, it’s about the ego of theartist), it’s (as mentioned above) much more expensive to build andmaintain than any “normal” bridge and it’s far,far, FAR less useful. Consider trying to bring something wider than ahuman across that bridge: woops, you’re taking up the entire width of one ofthe paths and now everyone behind you and ahead of you is incredibly inconvenienced.Same goes with biking, or is that not allowed on this bridge, thus making iteven more useless except as a thing to boggle the minds of people with verysimple tastes.
Posted on Nov11, 2013 | 8:27 AMReply

同意。不仅仅是为了怪异而怪异(像几乎所有的当代艺术那样,主要反映的是艺术家的自我),而且(正如上面所提到的)建造和维护的费用更加的昂贵,而且作用更加的小。把大一点的东西带上去,你整个人就已经把整条道路堵住了,你前面和后面的人就那样被卡在那里了。有些人还骑车上去,或者根本就不允许你骑车上去,不管是那种情况,这种桥梁所起到的作用都大大降低了。除非这种桥梁的作用只是为了让人们眼前一亮。

Bro!
China is the new US. The US is basicallybroke.
Posted on Nov10, 2013 | 4:24 AMReply
LeJay
THE END IS NEAR!!! LETS ALL PANIC!
Posted on Nov10, 2013 | 4:28 AMReply

中国是新的美国,现在的美国基本上已经破产了。

Daws001
Agreed but I need to eat breakfast first.
Posted on Nov10, 2013 | 10:40 AMReply

同意,但是我得先吃一下早饭。

LeJay
Have a few pints too.
Posted on Nov10, 2013 | 1:50 PMReply

再喝几杯酒啊。哈哈。

Alchemism
That is what they said Re: Japan in the1980s. Its a simplistic view of global finance to say the least.
Posted on Nov10, 2013 | 9:28 AMReply

这就是人们对日本80年代的看法。这是对全球金融的一种过度简单化的看法。

SlimShadyMJDroid
Japan is way ahead of the U.S. when itcomes to technology. Honestly, the U.S. is broke, yet continue to use whatmoney they get for shit like weapons instead of improving/building new stufflike this.
Posted on Nov10, 2013 | 10:33 PMReply

日本在技术上比美国领先多了。坦白说,美国已经破产了,可是还是把钱花在武器上,而不花在提高和建设新事物上,比如建一些这样的桥梁。

rikudo
American still leads in technology andJapan has far more debt per capita. There is more to technology then fast cellnetworks and robot dogs.
Remember murica invented the internet,personal computers, microprocessors, transistors, cell phones, wirelessnetworks, e-mail, digital cameras, hard drives, operating systems, gps, creditcards, airplanes, MRIs, LEDs, LCDs, space shuttles, nylon, teflon, microwaves,solar cells and that’s just scratching the surface. Not to mention utter USdominance in the software and web service field. China should focus onpriorities like human rights, air quality, corruption, ect… before spendingmoney on pretty bridges.
Posted on Nov10, 2013 | 11:12 PMReply

美国在技术上还是领先的,而日本的人均债务更高。技术不仅仅只是快速的单元网络和机器狗。美国发明了因特网,个人电脑,微处理器,晶体管,手机,无线网络,电子邮件,数码相机,硬盘驱动器,操作系统,全球定位系统,信用卡,飞机,核磁共振成像,LED,液晶显示器,航天飞机,尼龙,聚四氟乙烯,微波,太阳能电池,这些还只是一小部分。更不要提美国在软件和网络服务领域的主导地位了。中国应该把自己的重心放在人权,空气质量,腐败等问题上,解决了这些问题再来花钱建造漂亮的桥梁吧。

JoopNL
Very cool design!
Posted on Nov9, 2013 | 9:24 PMReply

非常酷的设计呢!

Vellion
i wish those were uniform, i really dislikethe inconsistency
Posted on Nov9, 2013 | 9:27 PMReply

我喜欢那些均匀的建筑,真心不喜欢这种不一致的建筑。

kampfhuegi
Funny thing that, I think it’s kind ofruined by being symmetrical.
Posted on Nov10, 2013 | 5:51 AMReply

我倒觉得一旦对称就不美了。

ElementFire
At least they got the smog right in thefirst picture.
Posted on Nov10, 2013 | 4:59 PMReply

至少在第一张图片中他们正确的表现出了雾霾的情况。

NapkinGuy
Its a pedestrian bridge..
Posted on Nov9, 2013 | 10:10 PMReply

这是一座人行天桥啊。。。

McDowski
Unique? Yes. Complicated? Sure. A piece ofart? I suppose. But calling it beautiful is quite generous.
And what is the “optical illusion” supposedto be?
Posted on Nov9, 2013 | 11:12 PMReply

特别?是的。复杂?当然。艺术品?我想是的。当时称它为美丽还是相当大方的。
还有什么样的情况才能称为“视幻觉”?

HideoHide
Beautiful is subjective.
Posted on Nov10, 2013 | 3:16 AMReply

美是主观的。
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发表于 2013-11-12 16:25:53 | 显示全部楼层
....澳大利亚的网民也会没事斗斗嘴
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发表于 2013-11-12 19:47:39 | 显示全部楼层
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中国应该把自己的重心放在人权,空气质量,腐败等问题上,解决了这些问题再来花钱建造漂亮的桥梁吧。
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发表于 2013-11-12 19:51:41 | 显示全部楼层
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中国应该把自己的重心放在人权,空气质量,腐败等问题上,解决了这些问题再来花钱建造漂亮的 ...
keveco 发表于 2013-11-12 19:47



    西人们的脑子已被洗成 言中国必提ren权,min主,污染,堕胎和gong产主义了
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发表于 2013-11-12 19:58:12 | 显示全部楼层
zaha的文化中心
next的步行桥
矶崎新的省博

这是目前最期待的三个公共项目了。

PS,大王山那个如果真是实施方案就好了。有蓝天组的感觉
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发表于 2013-11-12 20:03:43 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 keveco 于 2013-11-12 20:06 编辑
西人们的脑子已被洗成 言中国必提ren权,min主,污染,堕胎和gong产主义了
xfish 发表于 2013-11-12 19:51



人家的洗脑至少是在开放媒体下的洗脑…… ,你说的什么东西的确是西人们眼中的中国,可是谁让咱们这些问题这么突出呢?让人家说说,总比我们明明知道问题确还一个劲的拼命粉饰的要好……

说这些人渣浪费口舌……,咱们继续话建筑!!
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发表于 2013-11-12 20:07:20 | 显示全部楼层
zaha的文化中心
next的步行桥
矶崎新的省博

这是目前最期待的三个公共项目了。

PS,大王山那个如果 ...
丨小青年丨 发表于 2013-11-12 19:58



    大王山那个就是蓝天组的,蓝天组官网上有,中标,最炫。
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发表于 2013-11-12 20:10:27 | 显示全部楼层
回复 7# bbgmxh


    啊  还真是蓝天组的。。肯定不是实施方案吧。连投资方都没找到。。。蓝天组在大连的项目超级漂亮啊。比zaha在广州的歌剧院好看多了。其实还是施工的原因。
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发表于 2013-11-12 20:13:59 | 显示全部楼层
回复  bbgmxh


    啊  还真是蓝天组的。。肯定不是实施方案吧。连投资方都没找到。。。蓝天组在大连的 ...
丨小青年丨 发表于 2013-11-12 20:10



    就是实施方案,已开始施工招标,投资方不要担心,七七八八不离十了,拭目以待吧。
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发表于 2013-11-12 20:15:27 | 显示全部楼层
回复 9# bbgmxh


    这么好。。。长沙做规划的部门是一下脑子开窍了吗。。。
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发表于 2013-11-12 20:18:02 | 显示全部楼层
回复  bbgmxh


    这么好。。。长沙做规划的部门是一下脑子开窍了吗。。。
丨小青年丨 发表于 2013-11-12 20:15



    跟长沙市政府无关,先导公司搞的,一直以来土飞不干预。
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发表于 2013-11-12 20:39:01 | 显示全部楼层
回复 11# bbgmxh


    内部人士?   先导区碉堡了
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发表于 2013-11-12 23:34:05 | 显示全部楼层
回复 6# keveco


    嗯。家里的问题是家里的事,咱心里清楚~  别人家某些有色眼镜无视之。
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发表于 2013-11-13 08:48:41 | 显示全部楼层
有意思..............
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发表于 2013-11-13 09:49:42 | 显示全部楼层
回复 11# bbgmxh

幸好不干预,才保留了先导区的品质
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